Why
are "Heavenly Hearts"
(heavenlyhearts.net or heavenlyhearts.com.au)
"Beautiful Brides" (beautiful-brides.net)
"Brides Ukrainian Women" (brides-ukrainian-women.com)
"Love Mail Order Bride" (lovemailorderbride.com)
"Russian Girls Brides" (russiangirls-brides.com)
"Women Single" (womensingle.com)
"Creative Writing Services" (creative-writing-services.com)
"Dating Marriage" (datingmarriage.net)
"Matchmaking Dating Agency" (matchmaking-datingagency.com)
"Single Ladies" (singleladies.org)
"Travel Russia Single Ladies" (travelrussia-singleladies.com)
on my "Hell
No"
List?
In
my OPINION...
Based on the reports that I have received...
It APPEARS that this site/agency...
Here is this site in a nutshell -
if you use this agency, you will
be dealing with the biggest asshole in recent years. You will not have
much luck with the girls and many problems with the owner, Malcolm. If
you complain, he will threaten you. He will threaten to post your
personal info and photos and tells all the girls massive lies about
you. This is worse than using a scam agency, Malcolm will try to ruin
your life.
UPDATE
DEC '09 - OH MY GOD, SOME PEOPLE ARE SOOOOOO STOOPID!!!!!
The
owner has posted some bullshit about me and sent out a HUGE letter to
his members. You can read it below. What is funny is that his agency is
only on my Grey List, not my Black List. He also slams his competition
in his letter. He simply read other BS about me on the internet and
repeated it all as if it were fact. He has no proof of anything. It is
all BULL!!!
To make things worse,
he has never
written to me to
talk about the problem that his sites have. What the hell is that? I'll
tell you what it is, it is proof that this place is bad news. Why?
because I have a secret weapon after 10 years of operating my site.
here it is...a stray dog does not go after the dog catcher, he avoids
him. That is why the owner of this site has never contacted me. He
knows that his site has a problem. Instead of fixing the problem, he
just spreads lies about me. Oh well.
Here is more proof if
you don't
believe my reports...
http://forum.fiance.com/forum2.asp?Main=ShowTopic&forumid=1&topicid=3386
UPDATE - JAN 2010 - I have found more bad
reports...
http://www.romancescam.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=9895
more...
omgili.com
This is one
company, with the same basic site and profiles. Nothing wrong with
that. And I only have ONE
report on them, so there is no need to panic if you are using them.
They have a big
scammer problem. I looked at their
sites. They have known
scammers on their homepage. (Being used as kind of advertisements...but
their own profiles) No problem, right? All
agencies and dating sites have Russian scammers. Right? (Yes, right!!!)
But the problem
is...this site does not care about the Russian sacmmers. I found that
out for
myself when I looked at their site.
But here is the report.
A regular guy found
fake profiles on
Heavenly Hearts. He sent them an email, illustrating his
point. NO reply. He let them know twice. Nothing. He asked them about
it for a 3RD time.
They ignored him. So, he sent a, I am assuming, rude
letter, calling them scammers. Within 4 hours, they replied to him that
he is a troublemaker and told him they were cancelling his membership.
Believe me, I know there are crazy guys
out there who call agencies and sites scammers, and the site has every
right to free themself of this kind of client. I see no problem with
that. The problem is that he politely, told
them 3 times, about the scammers on their site and they ignored him.
Why would you want to do business with or
give money to a site that not only does not care about scammers, but
allows them to freely use their site? Of course, you wouldn't. Hence,
their addition to my Grey list.
Oh, by the way. I sent
them a letter.
They ignored me?
So, if you are not
part of the solution,
you are part of the problem. Heavenly Hearts is helping to scam men.
UPDATE - JANUARY 7, 2010 - READ CAREFULLY
I
have moved these sites to my Black List. I have found more bad news and
complaints about them. I have looked through the site and found more
known scammers. Many of their profiles are found on other sites,
especially a site called bride.ru. This is a site where Russian girls
make profiles themselves. It is strange that the girls also have a
profile on heavenlyhearts.net. (The owner will ask, WHY?, but after 10
years of operating my site, I know this for a fact.) I asked the owner
about these problems and he ignored me. He prefers to attack me and
spread lies about me. This is more proof that you should not deal with
this agency. ALL the profiles are found on other sites, so you can meet
ALL the girls on these other sites. Why bother with a place that is
obviously bad news?
PROOF OF
SCAMMING...
Hello Jim,
I just found your site today. Your site is very good, thank you. Here I
have a report about the site "heavenlyhearts.net", which is on your
grey list.
I was a 2 stars member on heavenlyhearts.net for one month. I received
fake letters from heavenlyhearts.net. How do I make sure the
letter/message I received is fake? Well, let me tel you the
story...
There is a lady, whose profile id is AD4H7074, name is Svetlana and she
is a Ukrainian, on the site. On 8th Nov., 2008, I got one notice letter
with the lady's profile from the site says " Hello ****! This
lady has indicated that she would like to get to know you better." But
the lady is new to the site and as a 2 stars member, I can't contact
the lady unless I upgrade my membership as a 4 stars member first. So I
give up on contact the lady, because I didn't even know that message is
real or not. So I wait... In the begining of this December, I signed up
in the other dating site www.russianwomencenter.com , I couldn't
believe that I found the same lady on the site -- russian women center.
So I wrote a letter to the lady asking her did she really write me a
message to me and say that she has indicated that she would like to get
to know me better? Guess what? She wrote me back and tell me that she
didn't do that...
I hope that this report/story could be something usefull for you and
many other guys who try to search their true love on the internet.
Here is a
report I
received in Dec, '09...
Maybe you
have seen
their attack on you
before!! I find it amusing that they are making these claims. I signed
up with their web site simply to view some different photos they had of
a woman I had seen on another web site. So, I never completed a profile
or added a photo. I simply created a username and password. Yet, almost
every day I get e-mails from their girls wanting to correspond with me.
Without any information in my profile or a photo posted, should I
believe these letters are genuine?
So, he
has no photo
and nothing in his profile, but he receives letters from girls?
Interesting.
Here is
their
newsletter with a major section about me...
From:
contact@heavenlyhearts.net
To: ****@hotmail.com
Subject: Food For Thought - Who Anti-Scams the Anti-Scammers?
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009
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From time to time, we here at HEAVENLY HEARTS get called upon to
respond to a variety of requests, comments, accolades, criticisms and
questions on all kinds of subject matter. One medium of response we
choose to use is our series of articles coined 'Food for Thought'. In
such articles we aim to discuss and where necessary expose and debunk
many falsehoods and misconceptions relating to the Internet. Through
our 'Food for Thought' articles we also provide a professional
appraisal and authoritative perspective on many key issues that may be
of interest and/or concern to our clients and readers in general.
This article is perhaps one of the most important and significant
critiques you are likely to read in relation to dating sites and
introduction agencies as it serves as a very important warning against
one of the Internet's biggest scammers - the nefarious cyber-spectre
known merely as 'Jim'. Also, the unseen dangers of believing
unsupported hearsay and propaganda found on forum sites and sites that
pretend to be authorities on 'Internet scamming'.
Who Anti-Scams the Anti-Scammers?
A treatise on the elaborate con known as 'Jim's Lists', the
disreputable dating agency believed to be behind the whole scam and the
dangers of taking the word of grubby cyber spectres and self-appointed
'authorities' like 'Jim' seriously and at face value.
In short, 'Jim's Lists' is one of the biggest scams on the Internet and
should under no circumstance be trusted or believed.
We've all, at one time or another, been given cause to question the
honesty and integrity of those select individuals in the social
hierarchy who occupy positions of authority or 'higher' authority. The
'authority figure' is someone we are indoctrinated to accept as a
symbol of virtue, something sort of like Superman, but this time with
the underwear worn well and truly on the inside. The indoctrination
process is so successful that we accept - and all too blindly - anyone
touted as being an 'authority'. With cobalt blue underwear that was
once widely recognisable no longer on public display, it is difficult
for anyone to see a large letter 'S' on a huge and pouting chest
anymore. So, recognising a legitimate hero-saviour amidst a crowd of
drably dressed 'wannabes' is not an easy task.
To help us we have our great and glorious elected officials offering
'authority' jobs to those who satisfy the related requirements,
whatever they may be. No-one seems to know for sure, save those that do
the hiring.
Kite-makers, window dressers, golfers, greengrocers...just about anyone
can be an authority on something. However, it's those that are 'in'
authority, such as judges, police, bailiffs and so forth that appear
less as authorities in a practical 'greengrocer' sense and more as the
well-concealed belligerent right arm of Authority itself. The
difference between authority being in someone and someone being in
authority is the amount of power delegated to the authoritarian figure
and in what ways they in turn use this power to enact their
authoritarian presence.
Not to be confused with those whose experience, knowledge and
intelligence make them the obvious choice to be the vanguard of hope
for a better tomorrow by treating 'authoritarian principles' with the
contempt they so rightly deserve, we have, on the other hand, those who
have been 'given the nod' - the Echelon, for want of a better term.
Those in the Echelon have all been legitimized by the Powers That Be as
having met the requirements set down by the Powers That Be to the
greater glory and betterment of the Powers That Be. And so say all of
us!
Professional 'authority figures', having been legitimized with a widey
recognised stamp of social approval, and in possession of the necessary
personal qualities, whatever these might be, to rise above all others
in accepted standards of personal virtue, are expected to play their
part exactly as it has been scripted - no ad-libbing or plot deviation
will be allowed or tolerated. They do what they are told by those who
tell them what to do. When all is said and done, theirs is the brand of
authority that is condoned and that carries a stick - usually a big
one. It's a stick that when placed in the wrong pair of hands, can
leave quite a sizeable welt on the spirit and resilience of those who
are prone to offer even the slightest modicum of resistance.
Acting the part also means dressing the part. No long, flowing cape or
customized utility belt is to be found here. Standout heroics are
shunned; except when nobody is around to see. That's where the stick
comes in. Anonymity is customary. It's how to be a part of the whole
without being a whole part. That's the way the Powers That Be like it
and that's the way the Powers That Be want it to remain. Conformity is
good for business. A happy customer is as good as money in the bank.
And so say all of us!
We are told to hold the 'authority figure' in some form of high esteem,
though the reasons why we must is really never fully explained to us.
It seems that by being an unwitting part of the collective whole, we're
subjugated to lick the authoritarian boot that can, when it is so
designated by the Powers That Be, kick us. It's just accepted like so
many other things. If we didn't, the wheels of 'Justice' as we know
them would grind to a halt. It's something quite unthinkable - and very
bad for business.
With everybody wanting to believe and straining their neck to catch
sight of a hero that will deliver them from the clutches of the
villains in amongst us all, still nobody has, as yet, come-up with the
magic formula that will allow us to differentiate between who amongst
us is actually on our side fighting for truth, justice and all that
sort of thing, and who is out only for themselves; a profiteer. Where
is that fella in the red and blue tights or the lady with the golden
lasso when we really need them? I guess trying to spot them is like
trying to explain the overall difference between the light-play of dusk
and dawn.
Can a costume be a uniform or is a uniform really a costume? Because we
are so quick to accept the authority figure on face value - because
that's the accepted norm - we tend to lose any impetus to ask who,
what, where, when and why; the most important question here, of course,
being 'Why?'
Does the appointed 'authority figure' deserve our acceptance, if at
all? If so, why? Just because someone is dressed like judge; does that
make him a judge and worthy of passing sentence without fear of
reproach? Just because a thespian acts in the same manner as a brain
surgeon on stage or screen, does that give him the knowledge and skills
to really operate or is it all just a part of the show? Just because
someone proclaims himself to be an 'authority', has the outward
appearance of being an 'authority' and who carries a stick like someone
in 'authority', do we automatically take it for granted that he is an
'authority'? Is the benefit of the doubt something that should be given
without any scrutiny whatsoever or should the doubt be a benefit that
is given freely, but not taken lightly?
The Internet is seen as many things to many people. It both
reinterprets and reinvents its origins without fear of disapproval from
anyone. The intrinsic nature of the cyber world has many parallels to
the real world. However, in one respect it differs - and significantly.
The politics of the Internet never have, and probably never will, serve
to delegate authority; in cyberspace authority is something that is
self-proclaimed, self-appointed and self-answerable. In cyberspace you
don't need someone to bestow on you black robes and a powder wig. You
don't need someone to hand you a soiled tin badge and a grimy pair of
handcuffs. You don't need someone to issue you khakis and a hand
grenade. All you need is a big stick, someone to hit and someone nearby
to watch it all happen. And so say all of us!
On the Internet, credentials don't mean a thing. Comparatively, they're
about as relevant in cyberspace as having an IQ. The 'Power To Be'
rather than the 'Powers That Be', is that by which authority is
delegated. Unlike the real world, in the cyber world everybody is
largely on their own to act according to their own devices. It is a
unique opportunity to be oneself - for better or for worse, for richer
or poorer and so on and so forth. However, we can appear to drift all
alone on a sea of fiberoptic particles and, unbeknownst to ourselves,
still be part of the human condition and social conditioning of the
real world. The compulsion to cow-tow to accepted norms is a shackle
that is hard to break free of, even in cyberspace. Our obedience and
subservience to the customs of the real world forever work against us
and allow our thoughts and our opinions to become coerced and
subsequently enslaved in the same form of voluntary bondage as that
found in the real world. We are bound so expertly that we continue to
accept because we are told to, believe because we are told to and
comply because we are told to.
In cyberspace, 'authority figures' are manufactured in much the same
way as they are in the real world. For example, take someone or
something, dress it up to be recognisable in some way, shape or form
and then give it a big stick. Presto. Instant authority. You can also
give it an arbitrary name such as Phil or Bob, even Jim.
Then, once you have your 'Jim' established, it's time to give him
something to do with the stick, such as give those he determines to be
'undesirable' or a 'scammer' a good bashing in front of an unwitting
Internet audience. His reasons for the bashing can be as justifiable as
anything you might find in the real world. However, the reasons don't
really matter or even need to be divulged to a mesmerized audience and
conclave of Jim groupies; all of whom are entertained by the antics and
wildly destructive mayhem on public display. Nobody really cares why.
It's the bashing itself that takes centre stage and draws the most
interest.
Jim 'McCarthy' he's not, but he could be. Jim's brand of witch-hunting
and stick bashing isn't at all new. It doesn't matter who invented it.
It has a purpose and it works, that's all that is important. It's an
old ploy and an effective ploy.
Not forgetting that heroes are in short supply in this or any other
world, lets make Jim's facade appear to one and all as an honest and
forthright protector of people everywhere - at no cost to anyone. It
really doesn't matter who pays for Jim's set-up as long as it isn't us.
Right? How wonderful. It seems to me that Jim's apparent philanthropic
penchant for 'do-gooding' for free has all the hallmarks of a
Batmanesque benefactor who exists only to serve the forces of justice
and niceness. It is said that imitation is the sincerest form of
flattery. So what if Jim is the spitting image of Batman or Superman or
even John Dillinger; another celebrated hero-type that sits alongside
the likes of Billy the Kid, Alex from A Clockwork Orange and Ned Kelly.
These were all thought to be great guys once and certainly legends of a
similar sort. But why knock a gift horse like Jim? He's supposed to be
on our side and in our corner, at least that's what his own publicity
suggests. I say it's wonderful that this modest cyberspace Lone Ranger
prefers to do all his good deeds and crime fighting behind a mask or
with a cowl plonked on top of his head. In a sense, it isn't all that
important to really know who the masked marvel is that is helping us so
freely, that is as long as he keeps on doing it gratis. Right? I mean
he does it, doesn't he? Right? And out of the goodness of his heart.
Right? Right? And he does it with money out of his own pocket. Right?
Right? There is no ulterior motive behind his actions. Right? Right?
Right? Money never comes into it. This is cyberspace remember. Yeah,
right!
Isn't it marvellous that we can suspend our doubt so much and to such a
degree that we can ignore Jim's true identity, where he comes from,
what he does to earn a crust, what he really looks like in the broad
light of day without a mask or a dark coloured cowl to obscure his
features, where he gets the money to fund such an operation and where
he can find the time to do all of this whilst everyone else is out
breaking their backs trying to make ends meet. Why wouldn't anyone want
to hero worship such a sterling character like Jim?
Hey, wait a tick...Now that you mention it, someone could ask, who is
Jim really and why would he want to do something for nothing? Where
does it get him? Does he have a screw loose somewhere? Who in their
right mind would want to spend their days and nights chained to a
computer just waiting to expose a meagre handful of alleged dating site
scammers and the agencies that allegedly endorse them? Also, in
recognition of his selfless achievements, why doesn't he want everyone
to know his true identity so they can say to his parents what a
wonderful character he is for helping everybody for free? Also, by
knowing his address they could go and give him a big, brass medal to
wear on his chest; that is assuming he has a chest to put it on. Come
to think of it, no-one has ever seen pictures of Jim, which doesn't
come as much of a surprise in view of his preference for anonymity.
Hey, wait another tick...could that then mean that somehow, maybe, Jim
might not be real flesh and blood? Unthinkable! Could it be that
perhaps Jim is only a figment of someone's crooked imagination and
concocted so as to dupe one and all into believing what he says is true
and not a prefabricated lie? Perish the thought!
Hey, just a moment...could Jim really be little more than a cleverly
contrived cyber tool used by a faceless company - perhaps a dating
agency with a squeaky clean image that toots its own horn about being
better than everyone else - to discredit other dating agencies
(business competitors) whose honest business practices have the
potential to draw clientele - and most importantly revenue - away from
the faceless company? No, never in a million years! It's not about
money...or is it? Don't they say that money makes the world go 'round?
Why then should cyberspace be any different?
Hey...maybe this squeaky-clean company isn't so honest as it makes out.
Maybe they use a cyber spectre like Jim to draw suspicion away from
themselves. Instead maybe they use Jim to 'point the bone' at the
Competition. With the Competition discredited, Jim's faithful followers
- all firm, dedicated, hard-core believers - take in every shovelful of
slop this self-proclaimed and self-righteous mouthpiece tosses their
way. Whatever Jim says, goes - and so does the money. It goes to fill
the coffers of the faceless company. As far as slick operations go,
this is a real beaut. With a front man like Jim that is all shadow and
no substance, the faceless company's tracks are very well covered. Even
the most seasoned bloodhound would have a hard time exposing the
corruption behind Jim's elaborate and extensive con.
Wow, having said this, wouldn't someone be an absolute fool to believe
such a faceless nobody as Jim and his disreputable conduct simply on
face or faceless value? The answer is a firm YES! But then when a con
is so slick and well organized, people can be tricked very easily.
That's how a 'confidence trickster' works. You believe because you want
to. Truth, fairness, honesty and justice don't ever come into it. At
the root of all cons is money and Jim's con is no different. It's a big
money spinner for the faceless company and all its cohorts it gets
money from to get Jim's approval and move-up on his acceptability list.
At the very top of the list, no surprise to anyone, sits, of course,
the faceless company - no longer faceless, just very well disguised.
It's virtue is assured as who would ever believe that someone who Jim
touts as being #1 could ever be involved in such shady, corrupt
dealings as Internet stick bashing? The irony is both delicious and
pathetic. A nod from Jim pays off in a very big way ($$$). So, if you
are a competitor, why make waves? Instead, why not just be a
significant part of the cash flow? Why even try to beat them if joining
them is a more lucrative option? A little graft can go a long way in
Jim's moneymaking operation.
However, not everyone has the same yellow streak down their back as Jim
does, not to mention Jim's backers and all their cohorts. There are
those that resist and just like in the real world, they get bashed for
it. As Jim's infantile philosophy embraces the banal belief that not
being part of the solution immediately makes you part of the problem,
so too it serves to reinforce the fact that Jim's hypocrisy knows no
limits. What the real problem actually is and what the necessary
solution needs to be gets smoke-screened by Jim. It is in fact Jim who
is the problem and the solution is nothing short of his mandatory
castration (in a figurative sense) and the destruction of his ludicrous
list and his ability to influence the confidence potential clients have
in service providers whose only real crime is to offer services that
are in competition with the faceless company responsible for Jim's
creation and his on-going destructive handiwork. As an authority on
anti-scamming, Jim is nothing short of a being a full-on joke - and an
unfunny one at that. However, as an expert on scamming, Jim can truly
be considered an 'authority'. His shady backers have seen to that.
What goes hand-in-hand with the power wielded by community endorsed
'authority figures' (whether of the real world or of cyberspace) is the
potential for the abuse, exploitation and corruption of relative power.
Jim is a perfect example of such abuse. It is a frightening prospect
that such corruption and exploitation, seen often enough in the real
world, has now spilled over into the technical universe at a very
fundamental level. The acquisition of money is at the root of it as it
is with most things.
There are many victims of Jim's on-going mayhem and madness and his
destructive brand of chaos needs to be stopped. They are ways to do
this. The best and most effective way is to drive him (and his whole
entourage) from cyberspace with a bigger stick than the one he
currently wields - and the sooner, the better. It is imperative that as
many people as possible are made aware of the corruption embodied by
Jim, as an unsavoury, destructive mouthpiece and the criminal business
interests behind his presence that use the '4 Horsemen Approach' to
slander the Competition and hijack their paying clientele. Boycott both
Jim and the agency of scammers pulling his strings. In fact, do
anything it takes to see that Jim and his silent partners no longer
benefit financially from a confidence trick that unjustifiably brings
into disrepute the reputation of legitimate agencies. In addition to
this, take a moment or two to ask yourself a few brief questions. Ask
yourself...who judges the judges? Who polices the police? Who reports
on the reporter? Then pose the question, who anti-scams the
anti-scammer? The most appropriate character to pose this question to
is Jim, but don't be surprised if you fail to get a response. It's a
question that he just doesn't have an answer for - and never will.
ooo000ooo
Notes
It is widely known in the trade that Jim's Lists is itself nothing more
than a contrived scam, perhaps one of the biggest and most successful
'agency' scams on the Internet. Its sucker list of true believers is no
less than 100 times longer than Jim's bogus scammer list.
There have been articles published on the Internet claiming to have
definite proof that a dubious dating outfit known in some instances as
EM was behind Jim's Lists and that EM attempted to squash the articles
because they named names of individuals involved in the Jim's Lists
scam. We can neither prove nor refute the claims made in the articles
or on the Internet due to the con being so slick and covert, however we
know where we stand on the matter and whom we know is indeed behind it
all. If you are in doubt as to just who the culprit is, I'm sure it
isn't hard to guess just which 'agency' appears at the very top of
Jim's list of recommended service providers. The facts speak for
themselves.
As HEAVENLY HEARTS isn't a boot-licker and refuses to participate in
the Jim's Lists scam, in retaliation HH has had a trumped-up allegation
made against us by an anonymous 'critic' on Jim's bogus site. No solid
proof has ever been provided to support the allegation and no evidence
whatsoever proving the allegation and who actually made the allegation
has ever been forthcoming. At best, it's nothing more than contrived
hearsay. So much for verifiable proof!
These are the facts regarding the allegation:
The allegation is an outright lie.
The so-called allegation never happened.
The accuser was never at any time a Member of HH. This we know as what
was stated in the allegation was cross-referenced with our records and
there was not a shred of supportive evidence found that could give any
credence to the complaint.
(How many other competitors of the 'faceless company' has this also
been done to? The answer is too many!)
The cyber-spectre 'Jim' never at any time contacted us. This is a lie.
We attempted to contact 'Jim' though his bogus site to refute the
allegation. Our emails were never returned. We were not surprised as it
was never their intention to remove us from this list. It is more
profitable to slander us by suggesting impropriety on our part. False
as the allegation is, it works in their favour.
More questions, but no answers...
Below are other questions we challenge you to find answers to (if you
can). If you can get verifiable evidence pertaining to just one
question, then you are doing better than anyone else ever has.
Who is Jim?
What is his full name?
Where does he live?
Where is his proof of identity?
What does he really look like?
What are his qualifications, if any?
Where does the money come from to finance his web site operation?
Who is really behind the Jim's List scam?
Why can't Jim be contacted by any means other than email (that is if he
can be contacted at all)?
Who are the 'anonymous' spectres that make the complaints to Jim?
Where is the hard evidence to support the allegations made on Jim's
lists or is hearsay all that is required to slander and condemn someone
Jim takes a 'dislike' to?
You be the 'judge'. However, the facts speak for themselves!
P.S. Don't be surprised if Jim tries to make more heated accusations
against us as no crook or crooked company likes to have their dirty
laundry aired in public. Jim and his backers are no different to any
common criminal in this respect.
©2009, www.heavenlyhearts.net. All rights reserved.
Thank you for your correspondence and your continued interest in the
HEAVENLY HEARTS web site.
If you have any further questions, queries or need assistance, please
don't hesitate to contact us.
Yours sincerely,
Malcolm McRae
B.A. (Western Sydney), B.Ed. (Sydney), C.E.L.T.A. (Cambridge)
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Jim's Notes
- I am not
going to (yet
again) explain myself or my site. I have been doing it for 10 years.
There are 2 links on my homepage that explain everything. (Who is Jim?
Who are Jim's critics?) Everything in this article above is crap that
he read on the net. Things posted by dream-marriage.com (posing as
agencyscams.net). And those things were read by dream-marriage on old
forums. Notice, that nobody has any proof of anything. Everyone who
knows my site knows that I change agencies and lists to deal with the
times. I remove agencies from all lists and move them to other lists.
Anyway, he never contacted me to clear up the problems at his site,
that proves that he knows I am right.
I will
answer his final
questions,
because, yet again, like I did with agencyscams.net, he thinks his
questions prove something, but my answers prove that he is retarded and
has no basis of anything...
Below are other questions we
challenge you
to find answers to (if you
can). If you can get verifiable evidence pertaining to just one
question, then you are doing better than anyone else ever has.
Who is
Jim?
I am a
Canadian who
lived in Russia for a number of years. How do you answer this question?
What is his full name?
Jim David
Morrison. I published
this a few years ago
when rumours started to spread about my real last name. But here is my
point. Does the knowledge of my surname mean that I am NOT a scammer?
And if I don't publish my surname, that means that I am a scammer? What
kind of thinking is this?
Where
does he live?
Now, I live
in Canada,
but I travel a lot for my regular job. Again, what difference does it
make where I live?
Where
is his proof of identity?
WHAT? Why
do I have to
prove my identity?
What does this prove?
And why do I need to prove this if the big scam agencies keep ALL their
private info secret? What is a name of anyone at D, H or A? Nobody knows. And THEY are the ones with
a business
What
does he really look like?
HUH?????????????????
What? Is this a joke?
What are his qualifications, if
any?
Qualifications
for what?
I have a BA. Wat
does that prove? Qualifications for my site? What qualifications do I
need? I have been operating it for 19 years. I have received thousands
and thousands of complaints against agencies. Does this experience
count for nothing?
Where
does the money come from to finance his web site operation?
Hey,
stupid, (yeah, you,
heavenlyhearts.net owner) read my site. I have banner advertising. Any
good agency can advertise on my site. That helps pay for my site. But,
since this idiot think he is smart and will confuse you with this
'money for site' issue, let me tell you a little secret. My domain name
costs $25 a year. web hosting costs $150 per year. Where does this oney
come from to finance my web site? Lose coins I find in my sofa
cushions!!!!!!!!
Who is
really behind the Jim's List scam?
Me. Jim.
Why
can't Jim be contacted by any means other than email (that is if he
can be contacted at all)?
Well, I
have an email
address where anyone
can contact me. (Are you really this dumb HH?) Other means? Because I
said so. Live with it, baby.
Who
are the 'anonymous' spectres that make the complaints to Jim?
The
'spectres' are men
that send me
reports. They are not anonymous. I have their reports with the date,
their names and email addresses in my files. I don't post it because I
protect them. Don't like it? That is your problem.
Where
is the hard evidence to support the allegations made on Jim's
lists or is hearsay all that is required to slander and condemn someone
Jim takes a 'dislike' to?
There are
many forms of
evidence in this
dating business. Hard, weak and common sense. Every report is
different. Like I said, I have ALL reports that I get in hard copy on
my computer.
You be the 'judge'.
However, the facts speak for themselves!
Facts? What
facts. You
have proved nothing.
P.S.
Don't be surprised if Jim tries to make more heated accusations
against us as no crook or crooked company likes to have their dirty
laundry aired in public. Jim and his backers are no different to any
common criminal in this respect.
I don't
make accusations
of agencies or
dating sites. I post reports that I have made and post facts that I
have discovered myself. I will only post more info about HH when I
receive it. BTW, next report moves you to the Black List.
I have no
backers. $175
per year to run my site. Wow, where DO I make the money? Smell the
sarcasm, loser?
Again, bad
agencies
attacking me. What a
surprise. It actually shows their guilt more than anything I could do.
And the fact that this guy has never contacted me proves that he is not
very intelligent. So, I would never use a site like this.
Malcolm,
I hate to be rude, so I will be truthful; you're in idiot. But, I am
fair. If you contact me before the end of the year, We can discuss the
removal of your agency from my Grey List. If I do not hear from you,
and I receive another complaintabout your agency - no, wait, I will
look at your web site in january - if you still have known scammers on
your site, then your site will be moved to my Black List.
I
saw your article. Do you really think you can win in a war against me?
Many have tried and failed. Why? It is simply, my site is not a
business. It is just information. But your site is a moneymaker. The
list of agencies that have come and gone whle my site continues is LONG.
So,
contact me and we can discuss it. If not, you threw the first punch. I
(CAPITAL I) will throw the last.
UPDATE
-
July, 2010 - one report was removed because the owner threatened the
guy. A second guy was threatened and he asked me to remove his report.
Well, here is a new one. Enjoy Malcolm. Oh, sorry, asshole. Read all
this letter to fully understand the asshole you would deal with if you
used this site.
I
initially contacted Malcolm on 6 March, 2010 with
a problem I had sending a letter through his site, which he helped me
resolve.
On the 8th of March, I again contacted Malcolm
directly, and asked for his assistance with a problem of a personal
nature. I had recently returned from a second trip to St
Petersburg,
Russia, and a visit with a woman that I had met there. While
I was
there, I had asked her to marry me, and she had answered yes, and I had
given her a ring. When I returned home, she communicated with
me and
informed me that she had changed her mind, and was no longer interested
in a marriage to me.
I contacted Malcolm since, by looking at
his web site, he appeared to have pretty good lines of communication
within the Ukraine and Russia. I told him of my problem, and
that with
his assistance I would like to find out if my relationship with the
woman in question was repairable. And, if it was not
repairable, could
I get his assistance in obtaining the return of the engagement ring I
left with the woman. His answer to me, was that for the
amount of a
4-star membership in his service ($320) he would contact her, and find
out what he could. In paying this amount, he would refund the
$60 I
had already paid him for use of his service, and move forward from
there with possible continued use of his service under the 4-star
program.
At the time, it seemed very reasonable. He would
intervene on my behave, and if things didn't work out, I would be able
to use his service to further my pursuit. Looking back on it
now, I
see it as nothing short of emotional extortion. I was in a
very bad
place emotionally, and with my hope of a positive resolution to my
problem, I gladly paid the amount he requested.
On the 9th of
March, he contacted me and told me he had spoken with the woman, and
that she wished to no longer pursue a relationship with me.
We again
discussed the possible return of my ring through one of his
representatives, but no firm track for this was discussed.
At
this point, I was a complete emotional wreck and began to try to move
forward. I had the conversation with Malcolm's wife about the
women I
was interested in. Based on what he has now told me, this is
apparently the matchmaking service that I was expecting to
receive.
So, I guess in fact, I did receive the matchmaking service that he
advertises. So that portion of my initial letter may be a bit
of
misinformation on my part, since I didn't know what service I was
receiving.
On the 17th of March, Malcolm transmitted to me a
price list for the basic related service of his "romance tour" which
included accommodation, airport transfers, Guide/Translator assistance,
meetings with the ladies, and social venues. There were
several emails
back and forth where I told him that I didn't think it was going to
happen, because the cost was too high, and others where I proposed a
change to this package, with my thoughts on what I needed.
These are
detailed in my first letter to you.
The final word I received from him regarding these adjustments I
proposed where:
"Trying
to do it in a bits and pieces way is not going to help either of us ?
especially you. It?s a form of service that we just can?t
offer. Let
us know if we can assist you with service or any further Membership
query you may have. You know where to find us."
So, as I said
before, as far as his "romance tour" is concerned, it is either do it
exactly as he proposed, at the cost he proposed, or he wasn't willing
to work with me. So, maybe at this point, my "then"
use of the word
"shady" was misplaced....but oh, what the future holds.
This was
followed with several emails back and forth in which we discussed his
"free" initial contact letters, his "translated" letters, and the
problems with my written Russian. It was at this time that I wrote my
initial letter to you, voicing my dissatisfaction with his service, and
the way he was going about things.
I continued to sporadically
contacted several women from his site, but by the 15th of April, I had
basically given up. I concentrated all my attention on other
aspects
of my life.
This is were it gets "interesting"....
Apparently,
on or about the 5th of July, 2010, Malcolm came across my initial
letter to you, that was posted on your Jim's List site. That
morning,
I received an email that contained some pretty astounding personal
attacks on me, my appearance, and my character. His claim was
that my
review was "being poorly written verbiage and deliberately misleading
lies". Along with these attacks, Malcolm informed me that I
had 10
days to remove my initial letter from "Jim's Lists", and that if I
didn't, he would do "everything in my(his) power to publicly discredit
you (me) by publishing the truth". I don't really know what
his
version of the truth is. Additionally, he had taken one of
the photos
that I had posted on his site, and superimposed "scammer, cheat, liar"
across the front. He told me that unless I had the letter
removed he
would "be contacting ladies in our entire network and warning them
about you, your lies, your dishonesty and your past treatment of ladies
and your deplorable conduct."
I wrote him a letter that day, and
apologized to him for writing the initial letter and had asked Jim to
remove it from his (this) site, but that I was offended because he
chose to attack my character in such a manner. I told him
that I
appreciated the help that he had given me with the woman from Russia,
and that with this apology I would return as a customer, and maybe more.
After
two days had passed, I thought about what had transpired, and wrote him
another letter explaining that I would appreciate him returning my
account to full 4-star status (which he had at that point placed in a
1-star status), or refund me the equivalent of the two months remaining
on my account.
The next day, I received another letter from him
explaining that I had not paid for a membership, that I had paid for
his intervention with the woman in Russia. Further more, he
stated
that I had attempted to defraud him by not using his Romance Tour
service as I had initially indicated. OK, which is it....do I
have a
membership, or don't I?? I was then accused of contravening
the terms
and policies of his web site policy. Hmm, writing a review of
services
is against his web site policy? This letter again accused me
of
"cowardly and slanderous" acts. The final line of the letter
was that
if he ever heard from me again, he would "make good on everything I
said I would do in my last letter, starting with contacting very
possible lady about you and your disreputable conduct."
I wrote
one final letter to him, again requesting that he refund me the balance
of my account. Additionally, I also informed him that if he
posted
that photo, or wrote any letters, HE would be in fact guilty of LIBEL
against me. I also informed him, as per his terms and policies of his
web site, that he remove all my personal information from his service,
hardware, and database.
Today, I received a letter from him,
again containing additional personal written attacks against me, my
character and my family. Additionally, I was accused of being
"a
character who underhandedly tries to coerce a service provider into
giving him what he wants just because he wants it his way".
No, I did
not try to coerce anything from anyone. I asked to change
what was
included in his Romance Tour to something I found acceptable.
He then
states "We are not prepared to align ourselves with someone who is
unbearably cheap, who wants to haggle incessantly and who demands to be
provided with professional services because HE thinks HE is entitled to
them at the price HE thinks they are worth. We do not provide a bits
and pieces service. You were told this. If you don't like it, that's
too bad. Act like man and not a vindictive weasel."
1) I never
tried to haggle, he sent me his price, I sent a rebuttle, he said
no...end of story. I call that trying to reach a
compromise. 2) He
is the service provider, I am the customer. As a PAYING
customer, I am
entitled to my expectations and for services that I require, not
something he thinks I am required to have. I wasn't trying to
change
the price, just the amount.
At this point, he has indicated that
"All submissions made to us by you remain ours to use at our
discretion. I will keep every scrap of data on you and will be using it
- as well as all pictorial data - to expose you - especially to
unsuspecting ladies - should you ply your slimy tactics against us in
the future". This is in direct opposition to his web site
policies,
that upon written request, data will be removed.....which makes it a
criminal act, and an act of libel.
At this point, I would have
to agree with Jim. Malcolm is a complete and total, well,
manipulator. He manipulated me at an emotional low point to
pay him
for services. OK, I paid them willingly, my
mistake. He then tried to
manipulate me into paying for additional service that I did not want,
and when I requested an adjustment, he slammed the door in my
face.
Finally, he tried to manipulate me into removing my previous review
from "Jim's Lists". Well, he won initially.
But guess what
Malcolm, you can threaten me, attack my character, call and my family
all the vile names that you want, but that doesn't change who you
are...a bullying cretin. If I were a man trying to build a
relationship with a woman from another country, you are the last person
I would want handling any of the arrangements. Sitting on the
other
side of the Earth from me, writing vile and unseemly tirades against me
is the highest level of cowardice there is.
I am sure that you
will continue in your business, and make money off unsuspecting men,
but I just hope that ONE will read this, find out what kind of man you
TRULY are, and take his business elsewhere.
more - Sept, 2010
hello
jim!
i
have pay a membership on :
heavenlyhearts.net
this
agency very not correct works(((((((((
from
the most beauty woman you can not get the email adress.
you
must send the first letter with the company email system.
when
the woman answer you the agency want you pay a translating email with
the company email system
and
it is to pay again(((((((
today
i get from id: **** following meesage. i send you now the copy:
Thank
you for you nice letter.
I
would like to send you my adress and phone number but in this agency it
is not alow.
We
can write each other.
the
agency not alow the woman for send the email adress.
please
inform all future costumer about the works from this bad and not
correct agency.
exuse
me, because my english not the best.
thank
you very much for your works
my
best regards to you
****
Jim's
Note - If girls are complaining about an agency, you KNOW that it is
bad.
Jim's
Note...
Malcolm,
you're a ASSHOLE and you are only hurting yourself with your actions.
Punks like you have come and gone over the 10 years of running my site.
It will be so nice to see you go. Later loser. Oh Malcolm, I forgot to
mention...there have been many asshole owners like you ove the years.
Most have left the business. But all realized that you cannot beat me.
I have no business, YOU DO. Enjoy the fall. Again - ASSHOLE.
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