Hi Jim,

Here's another update for you and your readers re. the Chnlove scam site.  

A lot of review / scam busting sites, including yours, have been doing a great job informing customers of the scams out there. On one of the other review sites (www.pfishy.com) the site came under attack.   It looks like the administrator and programmer identified the attack coming from guys in China (no surprise).  If you and your readers check July 2nd, there is a post (at least, currently) explaining how the site came under a spam attack. They were mainly offensive posts generated by current promoters of Chnlove who had tried to post under fake names to bury the posts of legitimate customers who had been scammed by Chnlove.

I hope your site and the others do not have to deal with the same experience as pfishy did. But be on the look-out.   Word is that Chnlove may be on its last legs. No business as guys get wiser.
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NEW REPORTS - JAN 2010

Hello Jim

I am and was a member at chnlove. I was very suspicious of what was going on. I had  communicated with a lady for some time, and she asked me to come to see her, in nine  months. A lot of letters and business in that time. But I didn't do it. I did a surprise  phone call on her, but I would not tell her who I was and there was no way she could  guess. I kept her on the spot, and she could not guess. So to keep this short, I was on a  free site and I saw a lady who was on the chnlove site. This is our conversation, and it  is a little bit interesting. I gave her a different name.

2020 wrote:

Hello Sarah

Pleased to meet you here. I was registered at Chnlove and saw your profile there and you  sent me a note, which I greatly appreciate. There was so many bad reports about this  company, that I had a hard time to communicate, because I couldn't trust who was real or  not. I phoned a girl whom I communicated for months with, and we became a little bit  serious, and she said things that made us sound close. When I phoned her, she could not  guess my name, at all. So what about this company. Are they honest?

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Sarah wrote:

hello ****,nice to meet you here.could u tell me some more about the bad reports of  chnlove?and i can tell u something true about that.the woman who u contacted thats not  the real woman.thats shall be the translators of agency of chinlove.so no wonderful when  u called the lady that she didnt know who u r.i guess that all ladies in chinlove are in  this situation.
Sarah

2020 wrote:

Thanks for the valuable information. Just confirms what I was suspecting. So did you send  me a letter of interest, or was it just chnlove making more business? I heard that the  woman are not treated well also. So I think there are a lot of sincere ladies at the  agency, only they are not being treated fair? Do you have your own internet? I can send  you links to sites exposing chnlove if you like. I wrote to a couple of other girls  briefly, and I could tell it was a scam, just to use up my credits. The ladies letters  are all the same. No personal questions, and short as possible.

Sarah wrote:

sorry i never sent any letters to anybody so far.all letters in chnlove thats only the  agencies can write and send them to men.all ladies in chnlove cant write any letters to               men.its not allowed to do that.every letter in chnlove be send and received by  agency.so if u send the letters via the chnlove that mean u send letters to agency.do u  understand what i say.thats why the letters what u received are all same and short.

2020 wrote:

http://agencyscams.com/Why/chinalove.html

Here is one site exposing it. It says chinalove on the address, but on the site, they are speaking about chnlove.

Sarah wrote:

hope the all people would removed from the scam soon.

2020 wrote:

Well, I understand. Does anyone there ever get married I wonder? At least I know now to  stay well away. I had about another 20 letters there, no problem. I guess we become  smarter with age. If you can't access the link let me know, and if you want, I can find a  few more for you.

Sarah wrote:

thanks i can browse the site which u gived to me.yes thats true totally what jim said in  the website.all people in chnlove paid the money to them but hardly to meet the right  person for ourself.i am thinking that what i must do to help the other people to removed  from the scam. 

LETTER TO AND FROM chnlove.com

Subject: hmmmmm
I just wanted to bring your attention to this website and see if you had anything to say about it?

http://agencyscams.com/Why/chinalove.html

Kind regards
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From:  Helen Wong (Customer Care)
To:  ****
Date:  30 Dec, 2009 GMT

Dear ****,

Ni Hao! This is Helen from Chnlove customer care. Thanks for sharing your concern with us. I can fully understand your concern. I am very grateful that you could let us know your thought, which gives us a chance to address your concern and provide you possible assistance.

****, I believe that you are sincere to look for your true love here, such attitude is greatly appreciated and admired by us. Chnlove has always treasured every single word of comments from the members and other people who have not joined our site, as these are impetus which may help us provide a safer and better platform to our sincere clients. However, recently we notice that there are some people diffusing negative information against us spitefully. Actually our Intendance Department is looking into this matter currently, and will take legal actions if necessary.

Chnlove has grown over the past decade to be a responsible company who will care for our clients' needs. We are fully aware that our company's reputation and long-term development is built on the trust of our clients. As you might be aware, Chnlove is independent from each local agency as individual companies. We pay the agency who provides EMF messages translation and delivery services to the Chinese ladies, thus enable free translation as well as professional consultation service to the ladies, making it easier for communication between people of different languages and cultures. Though Chnlove is not involved in the internal business of each agency, we have strict policies and regulations that each agency should censor the ladies' profiles and offer quality service to help both male and female members communicate smoothly. For more details about our measures taken to against the dishonesty behaviors, please check below page for reference:
http://www.chnlove.com/help/anti_fraud_policy.php

Also, we welcome our gentlemen clients to rate and comment the work of the local agencies. For those agencies who are reported for not doing a satisfactory job, we will carry out further investigation and find out the situation at the soonest. We earnestly hope that you could be with us as a supervisor, valuator and impeller of the agencies' quality service in Chnlove. We firmly believe your involvement and support is always the wealth that nothing can compare with, and your feedback will be the impetus to push Chnlove's and the agencies' services to a higher level. :-) You may refer to the link below for other clients' comments and rates after meeting their ladies in China:
http://www.chnlove.com/agency/feedback_stat.php

Thanks again for your support to our service. Please feel free to let us know if you have additional question or concern. We'll be glad to help our sincere clients.

Kind regards,

Helen Wong
Chnlove Customer Care 

JIM'S NOTE - You'll notice that she did not defend or make any mention of my site or the report against her company. What she did was give him a lot of PR bullshit that sounds good, but says nothing. MOST IMPORTANTLY, she laid out their system for everyone to see. And it is EXACTLY the same way that anastasiadate and all the big scam Russian agencies work. She is right, the main office of chnlove.com does NOT scam. It is all the local offices that make fake profiles and write fake letters. This place obviously took there model from anastasiadate and use the same loophole to scam. "It wasn't us, it must have been the local office." Well, the main office is responsible for their ENTIRE company's actions.

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Well I am a rather old hand at this nonsense. Last year I took my adopted Chinese daughter to YiYang to see her history and in the course got on China Love website to see who I could meet. Actually I did meet a very nice lady but had to hire the translator as her English was nil. I negotiated ½ price after threats on their side that they would not introduce me if I did not pay the full fare and basically I said fine- I could care less, and of course they aquiessed. She came with her 20 year old daughter who actually spoke very good English so did I need a translator?

    Now here is the real story and scam. I went back to China this year recently to Changsha – I was on China love and corresponding with a few great looking totally photo shopped girls (always ask for natural photos) –  one lady was posed very erotically that contacted me & oh by the way when they found out I was coming to Changsha in the period of 1 week I had 10 admirer mails ----alll from Changsha women. Normally I would get one in a month. Are we really this stupid? So I gleaned thru the list and by the time I arrived in Changsha I had three solid dates lined up. Now I always ask the girls to write to me on my private email which occasionally happens & even then it can be the translator (guy or girl) of the agency.

To keep the story short – I was contacted by a girl that I had given my email to. She had written that she did not speak English and that I should hire Nick – her translator – to pay him to meet with us and translate. Well guess what she had visited the agency saw all this bullshit crap, and remembered my email and contacted me directly. She did not write or see half the letters – it was dear Nick. She had paid 10,000 RNB ( $1500 abt) to join, and was quite discouraged. She wrote me that she was in fact fluent in English, that CHN love is a scam – in the sense that the translators write the admirer letters to  you & if you answer then they contact the girl and tell them they have a guy that is interested in them. And yes in some cases you are never talking at all to the girl-just the translators who get commission by putting you on.

   So I arranged to meet this lady at my hotel – short end she resigned from Chnlove – she is fabulous – I have been back to see her 3 times and we are getting married in June. Exceptional lady – fluent, legit, beautiful and detests ChnLove site. Before I met her I made a date with one again hiring at half price the translator and we met for supper at my hotel. Honestly, she was sophisticated, quite lovely, fashionable and I was attracted to her except how can you have a relationship with a women that cannot speak even basic English. The translator was a nice girl as well – told me she was quitting in two months as she couldn’t tolerate the chicanery (her words) of Changsha Chnlove site (run by a Taiwanese guy) and that they cheat the foreigners.

  Summation – you need to know how to play the game- its expensive – a lot of bullshit – but you can meet great women. You must find ones that DO speak English – get them to contact you directly – get their phone nos. ( ha it could be the translator) but if you do call them on Skype and check them out thoroughly. The women in most cases are legit – it’s the ageny and translators who think foreigners are stupid. I paid my dues, have many more stories – but luckily I met the love of my llife because of Chnlove, but not  through Chnlove. It is also a long hard road if you want to marry re immigration , visa etc. and if anyone needs advice I am very adept at handling these matters and can give you pretty good advice. I lived in the Orient many years and am familiar with the nuances, but honestly Chnlove is something to be very careful about. If they hook you it’s a money pit wasteland unless you get very lucky.

So I can only say be very careful – if her profile says learning English she probably cannot speak your language – get natural photos – if you still decide to meet her negotiate price and always be careful in what you say. You are writing to the translators and they have all power to reply to you – it may be from her – it may be from them. If you cant get her on email – yahoo- skype etc. forget it.

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Hello Jim

First, I didnıt know this site, your sites, existed. I am much less naive. Itıs an expensive lesson. This independent story will confirm other reports about ChnLove.com (agencies). This is two years over-due, but better late than never. It may help other guysŠ
 
The target ChnLove agency is in Zhengzhou, China. In early 2007 I did the profile and buying credits thing. I immediately was contacted by an astonishing number of the ³gorgeous² category, all 15 ­ 20 years my junior. Late 30ıs, to-die-for beauty. (I was then 57.) It seemed suspicious. Iım not a fool about women; I saw the manipulation and ³high maintenance² factors. I did my own searching of the profiles and found one closer to my age that felt right. Dozens of emails and four months later I go to China, (the final cost is several thousand $$, as we all know).
 
She was older and quite sensible in our letters. BUT all the posted photos were retouched and some were from her mid-20s. To my eye she was quite pretty, but not in the gorgeous category. At least I have that common sense.
 
The woman, nice but intimidated easily, was charged 30,000 yuan (RMnB) to join the agency. An outrageous fee by Chinese standards. I had the ³sense² to call the manager and send emails to enquire were there agency fees to my lady friend and was told there were none. I was lied to by the manager. My lady friend was charged for each letter she received, each leter she sent, as was I. She was also charged for all phone calls and conversations with her marriage broker, over the $30,000 joining fee.
 
I went to China. I wasnıt disappointed in my lady friend. I had made a wise choice. After two weeks in China, the prospective woman and I were attracted to each other and planned to go ahead with me extending my visit and meeting her family. That was what we had agreed to in our correspondence. We were taking it slow, but still going ahead with it. In my hotel room, while making plans to extend my time in China, the agency translator-marriage broker told my lady friend this was NOT acceptable. She, my lady of choice, was ordered to meet at least one other man. The translator then told us, in my hotel room, completely to our shock, that another man was arriving in Zhengzhou the next Monday (immediately after I was supposed to have left), and a meeting between the lady and this other man was scheduled. Neither of us were aware of this other man, at all. He had apparently written a letter some months before to which she (my lady) had said no thanks.
 
The agency translator had brokered the meeting with the ³new guy² without consulting the lady‹written nice letters, made promises, etc., on her behalf without telling her at all. Note this: I have a stable, reasonable income. Iım not rich but I ainıt poor. The new guy was very wealthy and 30 years her senior. He had apparently paid the agency to ensure he got a meeting. The marriage broker hinted to me, in my hotel room, that a cash gift to the agency would go a long way to realizing the outcome in my favor.
 
In the mean time, over the course of the two weeks I was there, I spent some time with my lady friendıs teen-aged son. A rather well spoken lad of 16. He related stories about gifts and money to the marriage broker that bothered him ­ he could see his mother being taken ­ and it reminded me of the payola scandals.
 
In my hotel room, the marriage broker intimidated the lady into a meeting with the new guy, apparently using threats about breach of contract. It was a very messy, painful scene in my hotel room. So, I didnıt extend my stay. I left. [A year later I returned to Zhengzhou on unrelated business and met the son again. We had dinner and a nice chat. In all truth, the son was sad his mother didnıt marry me. She eventually married the rich guy under pressure from the agency and her father.]
 
In brief: I met a lovely age-appropriate woman that was completely browbeaten by the marriage agency. The broker lied to both of us, lied to the new guy, intimidated the woman, and walked away with a bribe Iım told of a few thousand US. Oh wellŠ  I returned to my home country and wrote a detailed letter of complaint about the agency and the broker. I was told in no uncertain terms that I had no legal grounds for compaint ‹ that was how China works, and that it was not the affair of the ChnLove head office. Each agency (in the case Zhengzhou) was independent.
 
I met a lovely woman, had a good time, and we were planning to pursue it further. This was completely destroyed by greed, deceit, intimidation, and gross irresponsibility on the part of the agency and the marriage broker. Beware guys ‹ this stuff is very real.
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Dear Jim,

COMPLANT CHNLOVE

Scam all around. Ladies get scammed Men get scammed. The AGENCY has translate and everything goes through the agency. The last thing they want is direct communication. Any postal service to China othjer than e-mail is useless.An example is a gift of flowers; look at the cost 49$, would buy flowers for a month. Mistakes are always self serving by the agency
STAY AWAY FROM CHNLOVE!!!
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Hi Jim, I have been on that site for a few years.
 
   Things have proceeded much as you say.  Things got interesting and we got closer then she had to disappear to take care of her sick mother!  Another gave no reason just said she had to leave the site.
 
             I twice sent  8x10 enveloppes of stuff to two different ladies, both addresses were written in Chinese and English. The correctness was verified by my local Post Office people, who are Chinese.   After a few months each enveloppe came back with "Unknown" from the Chinese Post Office. !!   Ta Da!!
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Hi Jim, I have been on that site for a few years.
 
   Things have proceeded much as you say.  Things got interesting and we got closer then she had to disappear to take care of her sick mother!  Another gave no reason just said she had to leave the site.
 
             I twice sent  8x10 enveloppes of stuff to two different ladies, both addresses were written in Chinese and English. The correctness was verified by my local Post Office people, who are Chinese.   After a few months each enveloppe came back with "Unknown" from the Chinese Post Office. !!   Ta Da!!
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Hello Jim,

I have used your site for several years when I was looking for a bride in Ukraine.  I gave up on Ukrainian women and joined the CHNLOVE site in January 2007.  I did not have the problems mentioned by the other men that made reports on your site.  I think is only fair to give a good report when something good happens to let people know that not all of the agencies doing business with CHNLOVE are scammers.

Yes, it is true they charge for the emails going to the ladies.  My wife, I married the woman I originally met at CHNLOVE, did not pay the agency to join.  When I sent her flowers before our first meeting, she received them I know this because she mentioned them during our first week together. Having gone to the agency several times that week, I know the ladies on the CHN site are the ladies at this agency.  I seen many of them and they all looked very close to the pictures on their site.  They, as well as Zhihong, my wife now, helped with all the arrangements for me to get to Baoding including the ride from the airport with the cost being minimal, as compared to the same thing in the US.  Yes, we needed a translator but I knew this well before my visit to Baoding.  Yes, the site mentioned that she was learning English, but I thought this might not be true so that is one bad thing against CHNLOVE.  The ladies who visited the agency while I was there actually sat down and wrote out their letters and then handed them to the translators to write them in English and send to the men. 
 
After the first week, me and Zhihong decided we were going to be married and the local agency, at that time, charged me for Zhihong's participation in using their services.  Possible scam?  No, they told me their charges before I headed to China if we decided to get married.  They were upfront about the translator charging $7.00/hour and they told me it was not required, but recommended it. 
 
As it seems, you are right about CHNLOVE being responsible for the things the other agencies are doing whether good or bad.  As for me, I had nothing but a good experience in dealing with this agency and would recommend them to other people, albeit, since I know some of the other agencies in their network are not so good, I would only recommend them looking for girls in the Hebei district, Baoding City to be more exact.

Cordially,
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