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Your Russian, Latin & Asian Marriage Agency Checklist - By THE Leader in Anti-Scam - Jim

Why is "China Love" (chnlove.com)
"Chn Love" (chnlove.com)
"Qpid Network" (qpidnetwork.com)
"Thai Matches" (Thaimatches.com)
on my 
"Hell No" List?

China Love (chinalove.com)
Chn Love (chnlove.com)
Qpid Network (qpidnetwork.com)
Thai Matches (Thaimatches.com)

In my OPINION...

Based on the reports that I have received...

It APPEARS that this site/agency...

This is the 1st and ONLY report I have on this agency.

It is the weakest reason I have ever had for putting an agency on the Grey list.

Read the report and use that info to help you when you talk with the agency about your using them.

OOOOPS - NEW REPORTS - NOW ON THE BLACK LIST!!!!!!!!!!!

New Report - May, 2010

Jim,
Hello. Big news !  SUPER SCAM.. and a Solution for it.

Please post this at the top of your list of reports on CHNLOVE. They are the ultimate scammers. Check this out and tell people to use my method for testing the sites for fraud like this. Note: that you cannot get a phone number or real address for the women. They say on the profiles the women have cell phones but you can't communicate directly with them. They do this to force you to use the site for all communications and hide the deception described below. It is all a scam.

Shazam - " I found a way to weed out some of the scams really quick."

I have been dealing with these guys for months. Wasted a few hundred dollars testing them. I have discovered that they fabricate profiles out of thin air. "Imaginary people with beautiful photos and wonderful words". They designed designed the site to generate email traffic paid per message in both directions.

I have collected lots of evidence. They have ladies write messages from these fake profiles to get you to pay them for the fake messages. They were pretty consistent sending me fake emails on a regular basis of
 about 5 or 6 per day. Note that we are have to pay $7.50US for these
FAKE messages from hot looking dolls who want to get married. Thousands
of men are doing it. I suspect that very few of the profiles are real and the ones that are never actually communicate with the men who write at all. The meetings that occur are arranged.

They have seem to have bi-lingual translators each act as hundreds of different women in order to draw the men to the site and China. Upon arrival in China the service simply selects a woman. She may or not resemble the woman the man wanted to meet. I suspect the woman is given printed translations of communications (or not) so that she might know what the translator said on her behalf.

I discovered that the minute I pressed them that I was going to have someone meet the woman the messages which flowed daily required "weeks" to get a reply form the woman. The real woman was not easy to get communications from if she existed.

The Solution (a Test)
I tested them by saying that I wanted to have my own representative deliver a gift and meet the woman for a photo and questions in China prior to my travel there to meet her.

As soon as I did this the woman's profile disappeared and the company stopped sending fake email to me. In fact I got no email whatsoever from new women who supposedly were reading my profile and sending me messages after that statement to the service. Ha wow.

These are the all same operation under various names. (there are other names also)
CHNLOVE.CN
CHNLOVE.com
Qpid Network (qpidnetwork.com)
Thai Matches (Thaimatches.com)

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Jim,
I have just finished a two week tour of China, that included visits to CHNLOVE.  I
would rate this group of companies as something to definitely be aware of.  There
are girls, and they definitely want to get married, but the problem is in the
execution of the company.  They make their money translating messages for men [like
me] who contact ladies and then pay to have a message translated.  One of their
offices (Changsha) had 5 young ladies reading and translating messages, and a second
office (Chengdu) had three.

I did meet ladies, but they were entirely different from their pictures, which is
where the problem comes in.  Several of the interpreters hinted at angry clients who
traveled to see a particular lady, and then were disappointed at who met them.

Do I rate this agency a scam? I would have to answer yes, although to their credit,
they do present the ladies to you, albeit not the person you went to see.  At $3,000
a pop to travel to these countries, there is a definite problem.

Can you meet someone who interests you? Yes!  But your going to have to work at it.
I would say you need to meet 10 ladies to find 2 who may appeal to you.  I am no
newcomer to this game, and this was my 10th trip overseas, so I am aware of the
games played by marriage agencies.  I knew enough to schedule as many ladies as
possible to avoid a total trip failure.

Again, this company is probably legit, but should be put on a watch list until they
get the "glamour photos" bit cleaned up.  Posting a photo that does not come close
to resembling the person is not an honest way to do business.

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Hi Jim,
I have been a member of CHNLove for about 3 years and there is definitely a scam there.  I have travelled there twice now,  Even after corresponding with one of the ladies for 6 months and having been told (in her e-mails) that she was taking English classes, I got there and she could not speak a word of English.  Naturally, the agency was happy to offer the services of an interpreter.  Agencies apparently tell the ladies that they do not need to learn English until the man asks her to marry her and pays for her English courses, which are by the way given by the translator who works at the agency.  I also know from experience and from having talked to a few of the ladies who are members on this site that there is a lot of deception and lies going on there.  One would think that at the price that we pay for sending and receiving an e-mail, the service would be at least honest.  But in many cases, it is anything but honest.
 
First, men send letters to ladies.  The agency receives the letter, translates it for the lady and will show the man’s profile to the lady.  By the way, the lady has already paid a little fortune by Chinese standards to be on this site and she also gets charged for every letter that she receives and every letter that she sends (each letter therefore amounts to $6 or more; a pretty hefty charge for this kind of service in China). 
 
If the lady likes the man, she will write to him and the agency will do kind of what they advertise.  In most cases, they will call the lady, somewhat read a translated version of the letter over the phone, omitting any kind of contact information in order to retain the exclusive control of the communication between the man and the woman.  Often, the lady will summarize how to answer the letter to her translator.  The translator will then sit down and write a letter, feeling quite free to add stuff, to embellish the feelings or words from the lady, and of course, ensuring that no direct contact information gets passed.  So, the answer we get is in many cases not even a translation of a letter written by the lady.  For instance, I had been writing to that lady everyday for 2 months.  I had asked to get her phone number and e-mail.  I finally received it this week in an e-mail.  In her letter, the lady said that her English was not great, but that she would do her best to communicate.  I did phone her this weekend.  Whose phone number was that?  Her translator!  She made nice promises that she would call the lady the next day to see if she wanted me to have her private cell number.  Surprise!  The e-mail signed by the lady clearly said to call her, that she was expecting my call.  Why would her translator need that lady’s permission to give me her phone number if that lady’s e-mail was genuine?  Strike One!
 
If the lady has no interest in developing a relationship with a man who just wrote to her, it gets even more interesting!  I have been told by ladies of the kind you describe, the ones that look totally different in person than they do on their glamour photo, that when they showed no interest in a man, the agency or the translator would approach them and ask for permission for the translator to write to this man on their behalf anyway, but at no charge to the lady!  So, the man who thinks that his lady likes him will be lured to send as many e-mails as possible.  When the heat in the kitchen gets too high, the translator will find a way to break-up the relationship.  This happened to me recently.  I found out the truth when talking to a friend of mine who encountered the same ending.  Strike two!
 
Sometimes, without the lady being aware of anything, the agency will use her profile to attract men and make money.  Last summer, I initiated contact with a lady from Luizhou, Guangxi province.  That lady indicated on her profile that she was living in Rotterdam, Netherlands.  I liked her a lot (I thought), so I made travel arrangements to go meet her.  I told her what time I would arrive, where I would stay and that I wanted to have dinner with her on the night of my arrival.  When I arrived Rotterdam she was not at the Central station to meet my train as we had agreed.  I called her mobile several times, but there was no answer.  I sent her SMS and e-mails, still no answer.  I was stuck in Rotterdam with no date.  Finally, three days later, I managed to reach that lady.  She had been away on vacation for more than two weeks and she had not been aware at all that I was coming!  The agency, having been unable to contact her, faked her replies to me.  We finally met, but like in many other cases, she was a far cry from the photos on her profile.  She was nevertheless nice and we became friends.  Her English was very limited, but she managed to explain to me that she did like me and had told the agency that she was interested in communicating with me. But that she received only about 3 of my e-mails, out of a total of about 20, and that she had replied only to these 3 e-mails.  All of the others had been totally made up by the agency.  She also told me that the agency also has a few ladies who are very good looking and who are indeed looking for a husband, but who do not mind toying with men in which they are not interested for the benefit of the agency, and for their own as well, as the agency gives them a free ride (no fee membership), especially if they are willing to play the game in case the man requests a chat online. These ladies often get a lot of men trying to get in touch with them, so they get to pick and chose whom they want to write to, and leave the other suckers to the translators to play with.  Strike three!
 
The problem is that there is absolutely no quality control over the translation made and these translators are in a flagrant conflict of interest.  They need to keep the money flowing in and they have no problem lying and deceiving men just to shore up their business.  I think that they need to be shown for what they really are.  I am sure that there are honest ladies out there.  But there are many honest and sincere men also who are being deceived by CHNLove and its agencies.  I hope that you can expose them for what they are and force tem to come clean or shut down the business.  You can quote this e-mail as being from one of their disillusioned customers.  If you wish more details, do not hesitate to contact me. Have a nice day
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Hello!  I read your comment about Chinalove. May I add, from first hand knowledge, I agree they are dishonest. including, but not limited to photos. I am a member and wrote them about the photos. pics of ladies 45yrs. old that look 30. I ask them if they guarantee their photos. They said they only posted photos furnished by the ladies. One thing that really irks me is that they "refresh" ladies profiles. Chinalove states that every so often they contact the ladies as to their availibility. If they are still searching, they will "refresh" that profile and post it as if they are still single and looking. That is a LIE. I have been communicating with a lady for about 2 months. She is very serious and wants us to meet and hopefully get married. I noticed her profile refreshed Sept. 10, then on Sept. 23, and then last week. Out of respect, I said nothing the first 2 refreshes. I asked her about. She explained it was not convenient that she told me prior. She  paid to join and was under contract until she got married. Part of this contract was that Chinalove could refresh her profile every two weeks, if they so desired.  She considers herself "off the market" but  as far as Chinalove is concerned, this beautiful lady is displayed as single and searching. They also advertise free Cupid Notes, but when an exceptional lady is listed, you cannot send a free cupid note. They inform you she has received many in the last 48 hours and advise you to write her (@ 4 to 5 dollars a letter) Quite a scam.  They also advertise their agencies are open 7 days a week. Another lie. Some may be, not all. The sad part is this website is full of many very good and honest ladies. Some have sent, as requested, photos of daily life. Many, I did not recognize. Others are similar. Just look 10 yrs. older.  Thanks for reading this.  ****

NEW - FEB 09

Jim,
   I came across your reviews for Chnlove through another website, Pfishy, where many of us past members of Chnlove have been posting our experiences. I'm not sure why Chnlove remains only a "grey" scam on your Review Site.  It's true that generally, older guys are pictured as their apparent "success stories" but I would advise this is largely done after-the-fact, not because of the setup of their scheme.

   Chnlove uses 'translation' as a mask to misrepresent and deceive paying clients. Two things worth noting:  Girst, 'Chnlove' attempts to pass the buck to their regional, multi-level marketers, whome they like to call the 'local Agencies'.   Second, it is a rare day if the lady in question actually sees many, if any, of the gentlemen's emails (for which they pay a relatively large amount) before, or IF, they should ever meet in person.

   When I read the reviews posted on your site thus far, I was troubled by the pattern of stories told since many sound uncannily similar, if identical, to my own.  I should have known from the get-go that things were not right. In one of the early letters, the writer was almost speaking in the "3rd person". She said, 'You may call me A,  or BA, or  Ms. A'.    I thought that was rather odd, since I had been writing  to this person on a first-name basis.

    I was also told in my exchange with the primary connection I was interested in (I must have corresponded with about 5 ladies, who I now realize were all likely 'Translators') that she was taking English courses.  Having read the testimonials of your other contributors, I can now see that it was likely a fabrication to skit a number of other things, including not having the time to write to me by (free) private email - and 'having' to use Chnlove as the taxi meter was running.

     Something that your other contributors did not refer to though, are those costly 'gifts' which Chnlove flogs using its banners (It's Valentines, it's Labour Day,  Oh, it's Chnlove's Anniversary Day - I'm obviously exaggerating here ...  WHY NOT buy that 'special lady' [read: Translator] a nice 'gift for that 'special day'.     Well, I bought a number of gifts like a fool.    And although a couple of ladies acknowledged my gift when I emailed with them, the others had to respond RETRO-actively ....   "oh, yeah ... er, uh ... yes, Thank You for 'that' gift .... it was, um, sweet ...".      So, if I were to make a bet, I'd suggestion none of my 'gifts' were ever purchased or delivered to anyone, anywhere.     Nice to pad the old pocket there, Chnlove, I guess.

      Like your other contributors, I've decided to take an 'active' approach as well, and let everybody know.   If I've been bamboozled, at least this might save others from going the same route.
****

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Hey Jim,
thought I'd write in as well. Better take them off the grey list, go for black on black. Not only were all three of my ladies at least partially false, messages failed in congruency, but I have one admirer who wrote me twice, 5 months apart. She uses two different pictures, one in white one in yellow shirt. This girl is sending my initial admirer contact. What is strange is that she writes the same letter 5 months apart. So, the lights go on.

Better let it be known,
****

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Hi Jim,

Here's another update for you and your readers re. the Chnlove scam site.  

A lot of review / scam busting sites, including yours, have been doing a great job informing customers of the scams out there. On one of the other review sites (www.pfishy.com) the site came under attack.   It looks like the administrator and programmer identified the attack coming from guys in China (no surprise).  If you and your readers check July 2nd, there is a post (at least, currently) explaining how the site came under a spam attack. They were mainly offensive posts generated by current promoters of Chnlove who had tried to post under fake names to bury the posts of legitimate customers who had been scammed by Chnlove.

I hope your site and the others do not have to deal with the same experience as pfishy did. But be on the look-out.   Word is that Chnlove may be on its last legs. No business as guys get wiser.
****

NEW REPORTS - JAN 2010

Hello Jim

I am and was a member at chnlove. I was very suspicious of what was going on. I had  communicated with a lady for some time, and she asked me to come to see her, in nine  months. A lot of letters and business in that time. But I didn't do it. I did a surprise  phone call on her, but I would not tell her who I was and there was no way she could  guess. I kept her on the spot, and she could not guess. So to keep this short, I was on a  free site and I saw a lady who was on the chnlove site. This is our conversation, and it  is a little bit interesting. I gave her a different name.

2020 wrote:

Hello Sarah

Pleased to meet you here. I was registered at Chnlove and saw your profile there and you  sent me a note, which I greatly appreciate. There was so many bad reports about this  company, that I had a hard time to communicate, because I couldn't trust who was real or  not. I phoned a girl whom I communicated for months with, and we became a little bit  serious, and she said things that made us sound close. When I phoned her, she could not  guess my name, at all. So what about this company. Are they honest?

****

Sarah wrote:

hello ****,nice to meet you here.could u tell me some more about the bad reports of  chnlove?and i can tell u something true about that.the woman who u contacted thats not  the real woman.thats shall be the translators of agency of chinlove.so no wonderful when  u called the lady that she didnt know who u r.i guess that all ladies in chinlove are in  this situation.
Sarah

2020 wrote:

Thanks for the valuable information. Just confirms what I was suspecting. So did you send  me a letter of interest, or was it just chnlove making more business? I heard that the  woman are not treated well also. So I think there are a lot of sincere ladies at the  agency, only they are not being treated fair? Do you have your own internet? I can send  you links to sites exposing chnlove if you like. I wrote to a couple of other girls  briefly, and I could tell it was a scam, just to use up my credits. The ladies letters  are all the same. No personal questions, and short as possible.

Sarah wrote:

sorry i never sent any letters to anybody so far.all letters in chnlove thats only the  agencies can write and send them to men.all ladies in chnlove cant write any letters to               men.its not allowed to do that.every letter in chnlove be send and received by  agency.so if u send the letters via the chnlove that mean u send letters to agency.do u  understand what i say.thats why the letters what u received are all same and short.

2020 wrote:

http://agencyscams.com/Why/chinalove.html

Here is one site exposing it. It says chinalove on the address, but on the site, they are speaking about chnlove.

Sarah wrote:

hope the all people would removed from the scam soon.

2020 wrote:

Well, I understand. Does anyone there ever get married I wonder? At least I know now to  stay well away. I had about another 20 letters there, no problem. I guess we become  smarter with age. If you can't access the link let me know, and if you want, I can find a  few more for you.

Sarah wrote:

thanks i can browse the site which u gived to me.yes thats true totally what jim said in  the website.all people in chnlove paid the money to them but hardly to meet the right  person for ourself.i am thinking that what i must do to help the other people to removed  from the scam. 

LETTER TO AND FROM chnlove.com

Subject: hmmmmm
I just wanted to bring your attention to this website and see if you had anything to say about it?

http://agencyscams.com/Why/chinalove.html

Kind regards
***


From:  Helen Wong (Customer Care)
To:  ****
Date:  30 Dec, 2009 GMT

Dear ****,

Ni Hao! This is Helen from Chnlove customer care. Thanks for sharing your concern with us. I can fully understand your concern. I am very grateful that you could let us know your thought, which gives us a chance to address your concern and provide you possible assistance.

****, I believe that you are sincere to look for your true love here, such attitude is greatly appreciated and admired by us. Chnlove has always treasured every single word of comments from the members and other people who have not joined our site, as these are impetus which may help us provide a safer and better platform to our sincere clients. However, recently we notice that there are some people diffusing negative information against us spitefully. Actually our Intendance Department is looking into this matter currently, and will take legal actions if necessary.

Chnlove has grown over the past decade to be a responsible company who will care for our clients' needs. We are fully aware that our company's reputation and long-term development is built on the trust of our clients. As you might be aware, Chnlove is independent from each local agency as individual companies. We pay the agency who provides EMF messages translation and delivery services to the Chinese ladies, thus enable free translation as well as professional consultation service to the ladies, making it easier for communication between people of different languages and cultures. Though Chnlove is not involved in the internal business of each agency, we have strict policies and regulations that each agency should censor the ladies' profiles and offer quality service to help both male and female members communicate smoothly. For more details about our measures taken to against the dishonesty behaviors, please check below page for reference:
http://www.chnlove.com/help/anti_fraud_policy.php

Also, we welcome our gentlemen clients to rate and comment the work of the local agencies. For those agencies who are reported for not doing a satisfactory job, we will carry out further investigation and find out the situation at the soonest. We earnestly hope that you could be with us as a supervisor, valuator and impeller of the agencies' quality service in Chnlove. We firmly believe your involvement and support is always the wealth that nothing can compare with, and your feedback will be the impetus to push Chnlove's and the agencies' services to a higher level. :-) You may refer to the link below for other clients' comments and rates after meeting their ladies in China:
http://www.chnlove.com/agency/feedback_stat.php

Thanks again for your support to our service. Please feel free to let us know if you have additional question or concern. We'll be glad to help our sincere clients.

Kind regards,

Helen Wong
Chnlove Customer Care 

JIM'S NOTE - You'll notice that she did not defend or make any mention of my site or the report against her company. What she did was give him a lot of PR bullshit that sounds good, but says nothing. MOST IMPORTANTLY, she laid out their system for everyone to see. And it is EXACTLY the same way that anastasiadate and all the big scam Russian agencies work. She is right, the main office of chnlove.com does NOT scam. It is all the local offices that make fake profiles and write fake letters. This place obviously took there model from anastasiadate and use the same loophole to scam. "It wasn't us, it must have been the local office." Well, the main office is responsible for their ENTIRE company's actions.

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Well I am a rather old hand at this nonsense. Last year I took my adopted Chinese daughter to YiYang to see her history and in the course got on China Love website to see who I could meet. Actually I did meet a very nice lady but had to hire the translator as her English was nil. I negotiated ½ price after threats on their side that they would not introduce me if I did not pay the full fare and basically I said fine- I could care less, and of course they aquiessed. She came with her 20 year old daughter who actually spoke very good English so did I need a translator?

    Now here is the real story and scam. I went back to China this year recently to Changsha – I was on China love and corresponding with a few great looking totally photo shopped girls (always ask for natural photos) –  one lady was posed very erotically that contacted me & oh by the way when they found out I was coming to Changsha in the period of 1 week I had 10 admirer mails ----alll from Changsha women. Normally I would get one in a month. Are we really this stupid? So I gleaned thru the list and by the time I arrived in Changsha I had three solid dates lined up. Now I always ask the girls to write to me on my private email which occasionally happens & even then it can be the translator (guy or girl) of the agency.

To keep the story short – I was contacted by a girl that I had given my email to. She had written that she did not speak English and that I should hire Nick – her translator – to pay him to meet with us and translate. Well guess what she had visited the agency saw all this bullshit crap, and remembered my email and contacted me directly. She did not write or see half the letters – it was dear Nick. She had paid 10,000 RNB ( $1500 abt) to join, and was quite discouraged. She wrote me that she was in fact fluent in English, that CHN love is a scam – in the sense that the translators write the admirer letters to  you & if you answer then they contact the girl and tell them they have a guy that is interested in them. And yes in some cases you are never talking at all to the girl-just the translators who get commission by putting you on.

   So I arranged to meet this lady at my hotel – short end she resigned from Chnlove – she is fabulous – I have been back to see her 3 times and we are getting married in June. Exceptional lady – fluent, legit, beautiful and detests ChnLove site. Before I met her I made a date with one again hiring at half price the translator and we met for supper at my hotel. Honestly, she was sophisticated, quite lovely, fashionable and I was attracted to her except how can you have a relationship with a women that cannot speak even basic English. The translator was a nice girl as well – told me she was quitting in two months as she couldn’t tolerate the chicanery (her words) of Changsha Chnlove site (run by a Taiwanese guy) and that they cheat the foreigners.

  Summation – you need to know how to play the game- its expensive – a lot of bullshit – but you can meet great women. You must find ones that DO speak English – get them to contact you directly – get their phone nos. ( ha it could be the translator) but if you do call them on Skype and check them out thoroughly. The women in most cases are legit – it’s the ageny and translators who think foreigners are stupid. I paid my dues, have many more stories – but luckily I met the love of my llife because of Chnlove, but not  through Chnlove. It is also a long hard road if you want to marry re immigration , visa etc. and if anyone needs advice I am very adept at handling these matters and can give you pretty good advice. I lived in the Orient many years and am familiar with the nuances, but honestly Chnlove is something to be very careful about. If they hook you it’s a money pit wasteland unless you get very lucky.

So I can only say be very careful – if her profile says learning English she probably cannot speak your language – get natural photos – if you still decide to meet her negotiate price and always be careful in what you say. You are writing to the translators and they have all power to reply to you – it may be from her – it may be from them. If you cant get her on email – yahoo- skype etc. forget it.

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Hello Jim

First, I didnıt know this site, your sites, existed. I am much less naive. Itıs an expensive lesson. This independent story will confirm other reports about ChnLove.com (agencies). This is two years over-due, but better late than never. It may help other guysŠ
 
The target ChnLove agency is in Zhengzhou, China. In early 2007 I did the profile and buying credits thing. I immediately was contacted by an astonishing number of the ³gorgeous² category, all 15 ­ 20 years my junior. Late 30ıs, to-die-for beauty. (I was then 57.) It seemed suspicious. Iım not a fool about women; I saw the manipulation and ³high maintenance² factors. I did my own searching of the profiles and found one closer to my age that felt right. Dozens of emails and four months later I go to China, (the final cost is several thousand $$, as we all know).
 
She was older and quite sensible in our letters. BUT all the posted photos were retouched and some were from her mid-20s. To my eye she was quite pretty, but not in the gorgeous category. At least I have that common sense.
 
The woman, nice but intimidated easily, was charged 30,000 yuan (RMnB) to join the agency. An outrageous fee by Chinese standards. I had the ³sense² to call the manager and send emails to enquire were there agency fees to my lady friend and was told there were none. I was lied to by the manager. My lady friend was charged for each letter she received, each leter she sent, as was I. She was also charged for all phone calls and conversations with her marriage broker, over the $30,000 joining fee.
 
I went to China. I wasnıt disappointed in my lady friend. I had made a wise choice. After two weeks in China, the prospective woman and I were attracted to each other and planned to go ahead with me extending my visit and meeting her family. That was what we had agreed to in our correspondence. We were taking it slow, but still going ahead with it. In my hotel room, while making plans to extend my time in China, the agency translator-marriage broker told my lady friend this was NOT acceptable. She, my lady of choice, was ordered to meet at least one other man. The translator then told us, in my hotel room, completely to our shock, that another man was arriving in Zhengzhou the next Monday (immediately after I was supposed to have left), and a meeting between the lady and this other man was scheduled. Neither of us were aware of this other man, at all. He had apparently written a letter some months before to which she (my lady) had said no thanks.
 
The agency translator had brokered the meeting with the ³new guy² without consulting the lady‹written nice letters, made promises, etc., on her behalf without telling her at all. Note this: I have a stable, reasonable income. Iım not rich but I ainıt poor. The new guy was very wealthy and 30 years her senior. He had apparently paid the agency to ensure he got a meeting. The marriage broker hinted to me, in my hotel room, that a cash gift to the agency would go a long way to realizing the outcome in my favor.
 
In the mean time, over the course of the two weeks I was there, I spent some time with my lady friendıs teen-aged son. A rather well spoken lad of 16. He related stories about gifts and money to the marriage broker that bothered him ­ he could see his mother being taken ­ and it reminded me of the payola scandals.
 
In my hotel room, the marriage broker intimidated the lady into a meeting with the new guy, apparently using threats about breach of contract. It was a very messy, painful scene in my hotel room. So, I didnıt extend my stay. I left. [A year later I returned to Zhengzhou on unrelated business and met the son again. We had dinner and a nice chat. In all truth, the son was sad his mother didnıt marry me. She eventually married the rich guy under pressure from the agency and her father.]
 
In brief: I met a lovely age-appropriate woman that was completely browbeaten by the marriage agency. The broker lied to both of us, lied to the new guy, intimidated the woman, and walked away with a bribe Iım told of a few thousand US. Oh wellŠ  I returned to my home country and wrote a detailed letter of complaint about the agency and the broker. I was told in no uncertain terms that I had no legal grounds for compaint ‹ that was how China works, and that it was not the affair of the ChnLove head office. Each agency (in the case Zhengzhou) was independent.
 
I met a lovely woman, had a good time, and we were planning to pursue it further. This was completely destroyed by greed, deceit, intimidation, and gross irresponsibility on the part of the agency and the marriage broker. Beware guys ‹ this stuff is very real.
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Dear Jim,

COMPLANT CHNLOVE

Scam all around. Ladies get scammed Men get scammed. The AGENCY has translate and everything goes through the agency. The last thing they want is direct communication. Any postal service to China othjer than e-mail is useless.An example is a gift of flowers; look at the cost 49$, would buy flowers for a month. Mistakes are always self serving by the agency
STAY AWAY FROM CHNLOVE!!!
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Hi Jim, I have been on that site for a few years.
 
   Things have proceeded much as you say.  Things got interesting and we got closer then she had to disappear to take care of her sick mother!  Another gave no reason just said she had to leave the site.
 
             I twice sent  8x10 enveloppes of stuff to two different ladies, both addresses were written in Chinese and English. The correctness was verified by my local Post Office people, who are Chinese.   After a few months each enveloppe came back with "Unknown" from the Chinese Post Office. !!   Ta Da!!
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Hi Jim, I have been on that site for a few years.
 
   Things have proceeded much as you say.  Things got interesting and we got closer then she had to disappear to take care of her sick mother!  Another gave no reason just said she had to leave the site.
 
             I twice sent  8x10 enveloppes of stuff to two different ladies, both addresses were written in Chinese and English. The correctness was verified by my local Post Office people, who are Chinese.   After a few months each enveloppe came back with "Unknown" from the Chinese Post Office. !!   Ta Da!!
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Hello Jim,

I have used your site for several years when I was looking for a bride in Ukraine.  I gave up on Ukrainian women and joined the CHNLOVE site in January 2007.  I did not have the problems mentioned by the other men that made reports on your site.  I think is only fair to give a good report when something good happens to let people know that not all of the agencies doing business with CHNLOVE are scammers.

Yes, it is true they charge for the emails going to the ladies.  My wife, I married the woman I originally met at CHNLOVE, did not pay the agency to join.  When I sent her flowers before our first meeting, she received them I know this because she mentioned them during our first week together. Having gone to the agency several times that week, I know the ladies on the CHN site are the ladies at this agency.  I seen many of them and they all looked very close to the pictures on their site.  They, as well as Zhihong, my wife now, helped with all the arrangements for me to get to Baoding including the ride from the airport with the cost being minimal, as compared to the same thing in the US.  Yes, we needed a translator but I knew this well before my visit to Baoding.  Yes, the site mentioned that she was learning English, but I thought this might not be true so that is one bad thing against CHNLOVE.  The ladies who visited the agency while I was there actually sat down and wrote out their letters and then handed them to the translators to write them in English and send to the men. 
 
After the first week, me and Zhihong decided we were going to be married and the local agency, at that time, charged me for Zhihong's participation in using their services.  Possible scam?  No, they told me their charges before I headed to China if we decided to get married.  They were upfront about the translator charging $7.00/hour and they told me it was not required, but recommended it. 
 
As it seems, you are right about CHNLOVE being responsible for the things the other agencies are doing whether good or bad.  As for me, I had nothing but a good experience in dealing with this agency and would recommend them to other people, albeit, since I know some of the other agencies in their network are not so good, I would only recommend them looking for girls in the Hebei district, Baoding City to be more exact.

Cordially,
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